Comments on: Buyer Beware – Again http://4x4.sr5.com/?p=97 4 Wheel Drive Sun, 22 Aug 2010 21:48:51 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: robert molner http://4x4.sr5.com/?p=97&cpage=1#comment-1576 robert molner Sun, 21 Mar 2010 22:24:35 +0000 http://4x4.sr5.com/?p=97#comment-1576 yes it has a tach, gauges, buckets, console, etc. well it did have all of that before i turned it into a wheeler years back. email me at toy4wd81@aol.com and we can discuss it further. then i can send you the picture f the VIN tag you want. yes it has a tach, gauges, buckets, console, etc. well it did have all of that before i turned it into a wheeler years back. email me at toy4wd81@aol.com and we can discuss it further. then i can send you the picture f the VIN tag you want.

]]> By: admin http://4x4.sr5.com/?p=97&cpage=1#comment-1565 admin Sat, 20 Mar 2010 23:25:26 +0000 http://4x4.sr5.com/?p=97#comment-1565 Yes 48D is 4wd longbox Deluxe. Are you saying your truck has a tachometer, oil/volt pressure gauges, trip meter, bucket seats, carpet, center console, woodgrain dash, etc? Or does your Deluxe have no extra gauges, vinyl floor, bench seat, silver dash inserts, etc? Just because its a deluxe or SR5 has nothing to do with power steering, tilt, air conditioning, Chrome package, vent/rear slider windows. Alot of the upgrades were considered DIO "dealer installed options" so the dealers would add features to make the sale. With regards to two-tone paint: According to the factory 81 Toyota sales brochure, two tone paint was only available on SR5 models. I think I posted a copy of that chart. That's where the information comes from. Apparently Toyota hasn't been consistent in following their own standards. Thanks for your note. I would interested in seeing a picture of the silver tag under the hood that shows the paint code and vin #. Yes 48D is 4wd longbox Deluxe. Are you saying your truck has a tachometer, oil/volt pressure gauges, trip meter, bucket seats, carpet, center console, woodgrain dash, etc?
Or does your Deluxe have no extra gauges, vinyl floor, bench seat, silver dash inserts, etc?

Just because its a deluxe or SR5 has nothing to do with power steering, tilt, air conditioning, Chrome package, vent/rear slider windows. Alot of the upgrades were considered DIO “dealer installed options” so the dealers would add features to make the sale.

With regards to two-tone paint: According to the factory 81 Toyota sales brochure, two tone paint was only available on SR5 models. I think I posted a copy of that chart. That’s where the information comes from. Apparently Toyota hasn’t been consistent in following their own standards. Thanks for your note. I would interested in seeing a picture of the silver tag under the hood that shows the paint code and vin #.

]]> By: robert molner http://4x4.sr5.com/?p=97&cpage=1#comment-1545 robert molner Fri, 19 Mar 2010 17:02:20 +0000 http://4x4.sr5.com/?p=97#comment-1545 i know this is a dead post but i just have to say that i think you may not know all. i was looking at the VIN on my 81 two tone truck and it has a 48D, which to my understanding according to you would be a long bed delux model. the thing is i ordered the truck brand new in late 1980 and it was one if the first 1981 models. it had every option but a sunroof. i still have the original order forms from Irv Leopold toyota in milwaukie. it later became thomason toyota. anyways, i was just wondering you get all your information because i think you may not be getting all of it correct. i know this is a dead post but i just have to say that i think you may not know all. i was looking at the VIN on my 81 two tone truck and it has a 48D, which to my understanding according to you would be a long bed delux model. the thing is i ordered the truck brand new in late 1980 and it was one if the first 1981 models. it had every option but a sunroof. i still have the original order forms from Irv Leopold toyota in milwaukie. it later became thomason toyota. anyways, i was just wondering you get all your information because i think you may not be getting all of it correct.

]]> By: Bobby Moore http://4x4.sr5.com/?p=97&cpage=1#comment-655 Bobby Moore Sat, 12 Sep 2009 20:56:00 +0000 http://4x4.sr5.com/?p=97#comment-655 This is interesting, I looked at an 81 shortbed today, my first impression was this is an SR5 it had body decals, woodgrain dash, bucket seats, used to have carpet and had carpet in the back of cab, tachometer and trip meter, oil/volt gauge pod, 3 spoke steering wheel, arm rest door pull, carpet at bottom of door, only this was a 4 speed. tailgate had been replaced, so don't know if it had an sr5 decal. What makes this interesting is that it the vin had 38d. This is interesting, I looked at an 81 shortbed today, my first impression was this is an SR5 it had body decals, woodgrain dash, bucket seats, used to have carpet and had carpet in the back of cab, tachometer and trip meter, oil/volt gauge pod, 3 spoke steering wheel, arm rest door pull, carpet at bottom of door, only this was a 4 speed. tailgate had been replaced, so don’t know if it had an sr5 decal. What makes this interesting is that it the vin had 38d.

]]> By: c.thomas http://4x4.sr5.com/?p=97&cpage=1#comment-579 c.thomas Sat, 08 Aug 2009 18:32:13 +0000 http://4x4.sr5.com/?p=97#comment-579 I've never seen a SR5 decal that was the same size font as the "4wheel drive" lettering! The factory "SR5" is allways much larger (check it out). Also, the yellow sripe needs a thin black boarder between it and the white paint! Something is not addeing up, though still very nice '81!....thanks.... I’ve never seen a SR5 decal that was the same size font as the “4wheel drive” lettering! The factory “SR5″ is allways much larger (check it out). Also, the yellow sripe needs a thin black boarder between it and the white paint! Something is not addeing up, though still very nice ‘81!….thanks….

]]> By: seller http://4x4.sr5.com/?p=97&cpage=1#comment-558 seller Fri, 31 Jul 2009 18:08:48 +0000 http://4x4.sr5.com/?p=97#comment-558 I appreciate your comments and would just like to add the following... as you are aware my 1981 Toyota's two-tone paint is orignal since my vin specifed the 2A6 option, and your claim that this option was only availiable on SR5 model trucks is not justified. Either my vin number was placed incorrectly by the manufacture or thus my toyota came with all the SR5 options, thus making my toyota an sr5. It's not "If you do have a Deluxe model truck with factory two tone paint" i have a vin that reads color scheme 2A6, the proof is in the pudding, furhtermore... thanks for acknowleding that you were misinformed. Your correct my truck SR5's featrues include: SR5 decal on tailgate, woodgrain dash, bucket seats, carpet floor and back of cab also had carpert on the door skins, but replaced with new skins, tachometer and trip meter, oil/volt gauge pod, 3 spoke steering wheel, arm rest door pull, stereo radio vs mono, and a 5 speed transmission. A 5speed transmission. So i am confident in my listing and feel great about agreeing to disagree. Don't really know what your true motives are,but at any rate best of luck with your claims...thanks for taking the time to discuss....Good luck....Ed. "My only point of all this is a rare and original Toyota truck should match the features to the Vin." in my case they do..... I appreciate your comments and would just like to add the following…
as you are aware my 1981 Toyota’s two-tone paint is orignal since my vin specifed the 2A6 option, and your claim that this option was only availiable on SR5 model trucks is not justified. Either my vin number was placed incorrectly by the manufacture or thus my toyota came with all the SR5 options, thus making my toyota an sr5. It’s not “If you do have a Deluxe model truck with factory two tone paint” i have a vin that reads color scheme 2A6, the proof is in the pudding, furhtermore… thanks for acknowleding that you were misinformed. Your correct my truck SR5’s featrues include: SR5 decal on tailgate, woodgrain dash, bucket seats, carpet floor and back of cab also had carpert on the door skins, but replaced with new skins, tachometer and trip meter, oil/volt gauge pod, 3 spoke steering wheel, arm rest door pull, stereo radio vs mono, and a 5 speed transmission. A 5speed transmission. So i am confident in my listing and feel great about agreeing to disagree. Don’t really know what your true motives are,but at any rate best of luck with your claims…thanks for taking the time to discuss….Good luck….Ed.

“My only point of all this is a rare and original Toyota truck should match the features to the Vin.” in my case they do…..

]]> By: SR5 http://4x4.sr5.com/?p=97&cpage=1#comment-555 SR5 Fri, 31 Jul 2009 01:33:59 +0000 http://4x4.sr5.com/?p=97#comment-555 Hello Eddie: I am sorry if you are offended by my comments. This is not personal; I only want to see a fair description of the item offered for sale. I can assure you that for 1981 Toyota pickups I know EXACTLY what SR5 means. Bottom line: Vin code jt4rn38d5b0013167 contains the sequence 38d which means the truck is a standard box 4x4 Deluxe model. Call any dealer or visit any website anywhere anytime and ask them what model truck you have. SR5 or Deluxe. An SR5 model truck would have had a Vin code containing 38s. Now there are some differences between the two models. This is not based on my opinion but from a rare and original Toyota factory sales brochure. This are facts as printed by Toyota Motor Corporation. I am including a scan of the page that lists the options that were available for the different model trucks for 1981. Again, my understanding from what I read in print from Toyota is that two-tone paint was only an option on SR5 model trucks. If you do have a Deluxe model truck with factory two tone paint, then Toyota must have changed their minds after publication. If this is the case, I do apologize as I was obviously misinformed. However this does not explain how other SR5 features are also present. Examples features specifc to SR5 include: SR5 decal on tailgate, woodgrain dash, bucket seats, carpet floor and back of cab, tachometer and trip meter, oil/volt gauge pod, 3 spoke steering wheel, arm rest door pull, carpet at bottom of door, stereo radio vs mono, tinted glass, oh and a 5 speed transmission. A 5speed was optional on long box trucks, but not on a standard bed. My only point of all this is a rare and original Toyota truck should match the features to the Vin. Also I tried to update the Carfax information. I certainly did not intend to misinform anyone; I had trouble using the formatting. I do not see what the difference is, but please let me know or visit Ebay to get the information firsthand. Thank you Hello Eddie:

I am sorry if you are offended by my comments. This is not personal; I only want to see a fair description of the item offered for sale. I can assure you that for 1981 Toyota pickups I know EXACTLY what SR5 means.

Bottom line: Vin code jt4rn38d5b0013167 contains the sequence 38d which means the truck is a standard box 4×4 Deluxe model. Call any dealer or visit any website anywhere anytime and ask them what model truck you have. SR5 or Deluxe.

An SR5 model truck would have had a Vin code containing 38s. Now there are some differences between the two models. This is not based on my opinion but from a rare and original Toyota factory sales brochure. This are facts as printed by Toyota Motor Corporation.

I am including a scan of the page that lists the options that were available for the different model trucks for 1981. Again, my understanding from what I read in print from Toyota is that two-tone paint was only an option on SR5 model trucks. If you do have a Deluxe model truck with factory two tone paint, then Toyota must have changed their minds after publication. If this is the case, I do apologize as I was obviously misinformed. However this does not explain how other SR5 features are also present. Examples features specifc to SR5 include: SR5 decal on tailgate, woodgrain dash, bucket seats, carpet floor and back of cab, tachometer and trip meter, oil/volt gauge pod, 3 spoke steering wheel, arm rest door pull, carpet at bottom of door, stereo radio vs mono, tinted glass, oh and a 5 speed transmission. A 5speed was optional on long box trucks, but not on a standard bed.

My only point of all this is a rare and original Toyota truck should match the features to the Vin.

Also I tried to update the Carfax information. I certainly did not intend to misinform anyone; I had trouble using the formatting. I do not see what the difference is, but please let me know or visit Ebay to get the information firsthand.

Thank you

]]> By: Seller http://4x4.sr5.com/?p=97&cpage=1#comment-554 Seller Thu, 30 Jul 2009 19:16:30 +0000 http://4x4.sr5.com/?p=97#comment-554 SR5...I believe you misrepresented the CARFAX CERTIFICATE, if you choose to leave out pertiment information, folks can be misled, i would advise that you provide the actual image of the CARFAX CERTIFICATE so that folks get the clear picture, and are not lead astray by your opinions. let the FACTs speak for themselves.... to view that true CARFAX CERT, see ebay auction http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Toyota-Tacoma_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZalgoQ3dSIQ26itsQ3dIQ252BCQ26ituQ3dUCIQ252BUAQ252BFICSQ26otnQ3d15Q26poQ3dLVIQ26psQ3d54QQ_trksidZp3907Q2em263QQcategoryZ6439QQitemZ120453335500 You stated "L52 5 speeds were standard on SR5 trucks, but since this is not it probably has a 4 speed. " Please note, the engine vin includes the color scheme, trim ect, reads TM or (transmision) L52 which confirms my vehicle as a 5-speed with came stock on SR5's and the 2A6 color scheme that was an option on SR5 pickups. The vehicle specification info below was taken from www.toyotareference.com for a 1981 Toy P/U 4WD SR5 enjoy... Engine Type 4-cylinder in-line SOHC Displacement 2.4 liters (2376cc) Horsepower (SAE NET) 100@ 4800 rpm (Fed.) 96 @ 4800 rpm (Cal.) Torque (SAE NET) 129 ft./lbs @ 2800 rpm Body/Frame Construction Welded steel cab Suspension Front Leaf springs with double-acting shock absorbers Suspension REAR Leaf springs with double-acting shock absorbers Steering Type Recirculating ball Turning Diameter 41.3 ft. Standard Bed; 43.9 Long Bed Brakes Power-assisted (front disc, rear drum), with rear load-sensing proportioning valve 4WD Long Bed Sport Truck/Long Bed Deluxe 4WD Long Bed Sport Truck/Long Bed Deluxe Exterior Dimenstions (inches) Wheelbase 110.6 102.2 Track Width(front) 55.9 55.9 Track Width(rear) 55.1 55.1 Overall Length 186.2 170.1 Overall Width 66.5 66.5 Overall Height 65.9 65.9 Bed Length 87.4 72.2 Interior Dimensions Head Room 38 38 Leg Room 40.4 40.4 Shoulder Room 54.1 54.1 Axle Ratios Front 3.900:1 3.900:1 Rear 3.900.1 3.900.1 Transfer Case Type 2-speed 2-speed Gear Ratios High 1.00 High 1.00 Low 2.277 Low 2.277 Transmissions SR5/4WD Sport Truck 5-speed 5-speed Deluxe 4-speed 4-speed Standard Ground Clearance Angle of Approach 41.5 degrees 41.5 degrees Angle of Departure 29.5 degrees 29.5 degrees Differential System to Ground (front) 7.9" 7.9" Differential System to Ground (rear) 7.9" 7.9" Minimum Running Ground Clearance 11.6" 11.7" Capacities Gross Vehicle Weight (lbs.) 4550 4550 Payload (lbs.)5 1400 1400 Fuel Tank 16.1 13.7 Tires Type Bias-ply blackwall Bias-ply blackwall Size H78X15 H78X15 Exterior Colors White, Black, Red, Beige, Yellow, Green Medium Blue, Dark Blue Metallic, Copper Metallic, Blue/White Two-Tone* and Red/White Two-Tone* *denotes Optional SR5…I believe you misrepresented the CARFAX CERTIFICATE, if you choose to leave out pertiment information, folks can be misled, i would advise that you provide the actual image of the CARFAX CERTIFICATE so that folks get the clear picture, and are not lead astray by your opinions. let the FACTs speak for themselves….
to view that true CARFAX CERT, see ebay auction

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Toyota-Tacoma_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZalgoQ3dSIQ26itsQ3dIQ252BCQ26ituQ3dUCIQ252BUAQ252BFICSQ26otnQ3d15Q26poQ3dLVIQ26psQ3d54QQ_trksidZp3907Q2em263QQcategoryZ6439QQitemZ120453335500

You stated “L52 5 speeds were standard on SR5 trucks, but since this is not it probably has a 4 speed. ”

Please note, the engine vin includes the color scheme, trim ect, reads TM or (transmision) L52 which confirms my vehicle as a 5-speed with came stock on SR5’s and the 2A6 color scheme that was an option on SR5 pickups.

The vehicle specification info below was taken from http://www.toyotareference.com for a 1981 Toy P/U 4WD SR5
enjoy…

Engine Type 4-cylinder in-line SOHC
Displacement 2.4 liters (2376cc)
Horsepower (SAE NET) 100@ 4800 rpm (Fed.) 96 @ 4800 rpm (Cal.)
Torque (SAE NET) 129 ft./lbs @ 2800 rpm
Body/Frame Construction Welded steel cab
Suspension Front Leaf springs with double-acting shock absorbers
Suspension REAR Leaf springs with double-acting shock absorbers

Steering Type Recirculating ball
Turning Diameter 41.3 ft. Standard Bed; 43.9 Long Bed
Brakes Power-assisted (front disc, rear drum), with rear load-sensing
proportioning valve

4WD Long Bed Sport Truck/Long Bed Deluxe 4WD Long Bed Sport Truck/Long Bed Deluxe
Exterior Dimenstions (inches)
Wheelbase 110.6 102.2
Track Width(front) 55.9 55.9
Track Width(rear) 55.1 55.1
Overall Length 186.2 170.1
Overall Width 66.5 66.5
Overall Height 65.9 65.9
Bed Length 87.4 72.2

Interior Dimensions
Head Room 38 38
Leg Room 40.4 40.4
Shoulder Room 54.1 54.1

Axle Ratios
Front 3.900:1 3.900:1
Rear 3.900.1 3.900.1

Transfer Case
Type 2-speed 2-speed
Gear Ratios High 1.00 High 1.00
Low 2.277 Low 2.277
Transmissions
SR5/4WD Sport Truck 5-speed 5-speed
Deluxe 4-speed 4-speed
Standard

Ground Clearance
Angle of Approach 41.5 degrees 41.5 degrees
Angle of Departure 29.5 degrees 29.5 degrees
Differential System to Ground (front) 7.9″ 7.9″
Differential System to Ground (rear) 7.9″ 7.9″
Minimum Running Ground Clearance 11.6″ 11.7″

Capacities
Gross Vehicle Weight (lbs.) 4550 4550
Payload (lbs.)5 1400 1400
Fuel Tank 16.1 13.7

Tires
Type Bias-ply blackwall Bias-ply blackwall
Size H78X15 H78X15
Exterior Colors White, Black, Red, Beige, Yellow, Green Medium Blue, Dark Blue Metallic, Copper Metallic, Blue/White Two-Tone* and Red/White Two-Tone*
*denotes Optional

]]> By: Seller http://4x4.sr5.com/?p=97&cpage=1#comment-553 Seller Thu, 30 Jul 2009 19:03:03 +0000 http://4x4.sr5.com/?p=97#comment-553 I wrote you a personal message via ebay to reply to your alleged claims. I would hate to be the one to have to further educate you on what an sr5 is, but have to admit, we need folks like you. A great site to read and enjoy is www.toyotareference.com. You will find that my 1981 Toyota Hilux, is and SR5 with the 2A6 or bluc and white color scheme. Your due-diligence in this matter is greatly appreciated. Look forward to meeting you in the near future. thanks ED I wrote you a personal message via ebay to reply to your alleged claims. I would hate to be the one to have to further educate you on what an sr5 is, but have to admit, we need folks like you. A great site to read and enjoy is http://www.toyotareference.com. You will find that my 1981 Toyota Hilux, is and SR5 with the 2A6 or bluc and white color scheme. Your due-diligence in this matter is greatly appreciated. Look forward to meeting you in the near future. thanks ED

]]> By: SR5 http://4x4.sr5.com/?p=97&cpage=1#comment-552 SR5 Thu, 30 Jul 2009 02:33:26 +0000 http://4x4.sr5.com/?p=97#comment-552 Googling "manufacturer buyback" reveals some more information: Lemon Law Vehicle — A vehicle with major problems that has been repurchased by or had its price renegotiated with the manufacturer. The state marks its official records or issues a title brand for lemon law vehicles. Laws vary by state as to the specific requirements for a "lemon". Most manufacturers issue some buybacks that are not the result of Lemon Laws but rather a courtesy. Manufacturer Buyback or Lemon — A DMV or a state agency marks an official document or issues a Manufacturer Buyback/Lemon title when a vehicle has been repurchased by the manufacturer. Not all states issue manufacturer buyback titles and the specific requirements for a lemon law vehicle vary by state. Googling “manufacturer buyback” reveals some more information:

Lemon Law Vehicle —
A vehicle with major problems that has been repurchased by or had its price renegotiated with the manufacturer. The state marks its official records or issues a title brand for lemon law vehicles. Laws vary by state as to the specific requirements for a “lemon”. Most manufacturers issue some buybacks that are not the result of Lemon Laws but rather a courtesy.

Manufacturer Buyback or Lemon —
A DMV or a state agency marks an official document or issues a Manufacturer Buyback/Lemon title when a vehicle has been repurchased by the manufacturer. Not all states issue manufacturer buyback titles and the specific requirements for a lemon law vehicle vary by state.

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